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After the successful restructuring of the Font gallery it is time to tackle the Traditional Art > Typography gallery with an update! 

I already have some ideas of what I think would be great additions / changes, but I want to know what you think about it, too! 

That is what this journal is for :la: 
To share my ideas and to hear your ideas! 

CalligraphyTypographic Stencil & Miscellaneous are a good base for a gallery, but in my opinion they do not adequately display the wide range of Traditional Typography.

The range of what you can see in Typography created by Traditional (aka non-digital) means is vast and amazing. There is so much more than the 2 galleries that exist at the moment. Especially with the Stencil gallery, I was always amazed by the fact that it even exists (and disgusted by the amount of miscats, obviously). 

That said, there are not many works that qualify as Typographic Stencil. Therefore a lot of submissions have to be placed into Miscellaneous. And I think we all agree, that posting into Miscellaneous makes you feel sort of incomplete :XD: 


To better illustrate the ideas I had so far, I shall do so by using some examples

These are all ideas for possible categories, which could be added to the current gallery tree. Either on their own or as sub-categories to existing ones.  [In alphabetical order] 


Calligrams
These are comparable with Digital Art > Typography > Text-based Imagery. But they are done traditionally and are usually part of Calligraphy. Maybe they don't need their own gallery at all.

Calligram in your Soul by Vic-Perfecto Peace by zoe042 Scarlett Johansson - Type Face by hereinspaziert



Chalkboard
Typographic lettering applied to a chalkboard using chalk of one or more colors. This is usually found in front of restaurants, but more and more artists specialize in this kind of typography. The charm of these works is their temporary character, as a rain or a swipe can destroy them so easily. Obviously these kind could also be drawn on pavement or walls, so maybe "Chalk" would be a better term. But then again, it could be a Drawing as well. Discuss! :la: 

:thumb125952303: + Pogaduchy chalk walls + by radamenes Chalk Page A. by kitelife



Collage
This is pretty much like old-school gangster movie blackmail letters ;) Using a variety of printed materials a new artwork is created. Cutting, arranging and gluing :la: 

richardrichardrichard by Cheskahill Gbookfair 09 by object000 father by TheDuncE



Drawings
You will see that Typography can be both Drawings and Paintings. Drawings, in this case, are recognizable by the materials used to create them: Pencil, Pen, Ink, Chalk, Graphite, Crayon, Pastels, … 

braided by teaganwhite Nested Font by amwah life is a flower by brian9267



Font / Typeface Design
Similar to what I said about Logo, this would be about sketches and drawings of typefaces before they are turned into usable font files digitally. This could also work as a place for typedesigns made from various materials.
Usually works like this would come in the form of an alphabet.

Disney Alphabet by alecalcano :thumb262856660: My Hair Alphabet by SamASENSI



Lettering
This is a sort of generic term. While browsing and looking for examples I found a lot of Tattoo Art. That said, Lettering most often refers to a type treatment that only covers one or several words. A bit like Logo Design, but usually it does not stand for a company, but more often for a person's name or similar personal illustrations. Calligraphy may actually be a part of this, but then again most of the categories in this list could be called Lettering.

carpe diem by arty147 Tattoo Lettering 1 by mysummerwine Forever More by lordmx

Lettering can also refer to the Art of Lettering Comics. Before the Digital Age (and way into it) there actually was the job of drawing the text into speech bubbles. For anyone familiar with the process of this, you also know that a comic book can be split up into many parts: Lineart, Coloring, Lettering… 



Logo Design
Sketches, scribbles or final drafts of Logo designs, before they are redrawn in vector.

Changeling logo. by Kriescher138 :thumb82760694: Logo by Ergal
 


Paintings
Same thing as with Drawings. Paintings are defined by the materials, such as: Oil, Watercolors, Acryl, Tempera, …

HUGZ by saraquarelle White Bull Terrier by saraquarelle memaid in typography by eeyor3



Penmanship
This Art or Craft can easily be described best as Classical Handwriting. Especially in the Middle Ages and way up into the 18th century most people were illiterates. The Craft of Penmanship was required for them to set up documents such as contracts or letters. 
The kind of Handwriting used in Penmanship is a very delicate and well trained technique. It requires precision and focus, as the writing needs to be perfect. 

Diplome by Nyniel Wedding Monogram Scroll by BabyGig emerveillement detail by arcanoide
 


Sculpture / Craft
Basically this is 3D Typography, using our actual 3 dimensions ;) 
From the Traditional Art > Sculpture gallery description:
Sculptures of 3D art using materials including marble, wood, bronze casting, metal works, stone, clay, plaster or even paper-mache.

sculpture 5 by ibrahimabutouq butterfly quilling1 by UsoKei  



Typewriter
The original ASCII art: much like Calligrams single keys are arranged in a way to form a visual image. A similar category already exists in Digital Art > Typography > Text-based Imagery. You only use a typewriter and a piece of paper. 

Typewriter Drawing - The Ocean by kwirky 20101123 typewriter drawings portrait by reszko beautiful decay. by erynsmith44


What about galleries that already exist elsewhere?

Immediately to my mind springs Graffiti, Printing and Logos. Those can all contain Typography. I guess it is most wise to leave them where they are ;) As for Logos, a Traditional gallery with sketches and versions may not be a concurrence to the Design & Interfaces > Logos & Logotypes category. Especially as Logos, which are submitted to D&I, are vectors or at least final versions of it. Obviously this would only be for Logos that are of a typographical nature :meow: 


Questions!


Is there any kinda Traditional Typography I missed?

Can you show me one of your works, that did not fit into the current Traditional Typography gallery?

How would you sort the gallery? Have all categories next to each other or create a hierarchy?


Should it be sorted after medium, technique, style or purpose?  Or just a mix of all, if that makes sense…


 Let me know what you think :la: :heart: 


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Errance Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Looks good to me. :-)
Maybe some sub-folders in calligraphy like Islamic calligraphy, Latin, Chinese etc. It's painful to find specific type of calligraphy when they are all in the same folder.
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
I like the idea of having subfolders to Calligraphy :nod:
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MartinSilvertant Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Professional General Artist
The categorization seems to be quite perfect. I have only one objection, which is the unfinished works. It might be a good idea to have categories for sketches of logos and typefaces but I personally doubt that's relevant. It seems not many people upload sketches anyway, and if they do it probably fits best in the scraps section. All the other categories are ACTUAL art forms and the Logo Design and Font Design categories seem to be the only two of this list which are not specific art forms but unfinished work of categories outside of the traditional typography section.
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
First off: thanks for the feedback :)

I agree with the sketches/unfinished works. This is mainly a collection of what I could think of :D
Regarding Font Design, I was thinking of works like this [link] where an alphabet is illustrated. However they could simply be submitted to other categories as they come :)
When it comes to sketches of fonts that are to be turned into actual font files, scraps for sketches would of course make much more sense. Or, if someone wants to submit them, there will be an "Other" category too ;)
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MartinSilvertant Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Professional General Artist
It seems you're definitely on the right track. When will the typography section be updated?
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
There is not time schedule yet. I don't want to rush it, I will probably wait for some more feedback before I get out the spreadsheets :D
From then on… it may take one or two months for it to be handled. I can't really foresee anything. But I hope for the next 6 months :)
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MartinSilvertant Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Professional General Artist
Well, the category system looks great so far. It will prove useful for my own calligraphy work among other things.
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Glad you think so :)
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Itti Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I definitely agree that calligrams should get their own category. Having a separate one for collage is a nice idea too, although there is already a collage category not in typography so there could be some overlap. Font design is another good one.

I think that 'calligraphy' should be sub-divided into 'Eastern' (Japanese and Chinese calligraphy), 'Western' (American and European - anything that uses our normal alphabet) and 'Other' (e.g. Arabic calligraphy.

I think Chalkboard and Sculpture/Craft are great ideas, but I think the latter needs a clearer name. Logo Design seems a good category as well if there isn't anywhere else to put it. I think you should put Tattoo Design and logo design in the same category.

I don't see any need to split up 'Drawings', 'Paintings', 'Lettering' and 'Penmanship'. I think it is hard to explain the difference (except maybe penmanship) and would only create confusion about where to put things. I would be happy putting any of these into 'Calligraphy' or 'Typography'.

I actually wouldn't know where to put any of my current calligraphy pieces in this system. They are usually a quote of some sort, often with a small drawing but that doesn't dominate the piece. [link]

Actually thinking about it some more, how about instead of those four categories, separating them into function? I have some pieces - [link] [link] - where the intent is to make a label of some kind and convey information and I decided to do it 'in a pretty way'. Whereas I have other pieces - [link] [link] - where the intent is to make artwork. Of course, like any artwork, it still conveys a message/information, but it's a finished piece. Does that make sense?
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Thanks for the input :hug:

Calligraphy is indeed the only category where I could imagine having sub-cats, as you say for the region it comes from and maybe add Calligrams in there.

There is always a chance of overlapping with other galleries, the general collage gallery can theoretically contain typography, because those works didn't fit into the current categories. However, typography is sort of a weird one, because it is not a medium like collage, painting, drawings etc.; yet it is on the same level with them. Theoretically Typography can contain all of the galleries it stands next to at the moment. (Same goes for Digital Art btw.)
I did not want to copy the digital tree tho, I think traditional art calls for a different approach cos the different media are much more clear than with an artwork created in Photoshop. In Digital it is Calligraphy, Misc., Text-based Imagery (Calligrams basically), Font Design and Conceptual; which doesn't really follow one line of seperation.

Right now, I have 3 categories already in mind: Calligraphy, Stencil and Other/Misc (Other is a better name for it, I think).

I have the idea, that a category called 'Lettering' may be a good place for Paintings, Drawings and Penmanship. As I understand the word Lettering, I would not set it equal with Calligraphy. (Even tho wiki brings me to Calligraphy when I search for Lettering) Thinking about this, it might be smart to have a Lettering category in Designs & Interfaces, as I understand it more purpose driven than Calligraphy.
However Lettering always seems to have a more… controlled character than Calligraphy. Maybe more planned and more graphic, it doesn't have to be swooshy :D And very often it would be printed, like 19th century posters. (Nvm that I left out the whole part about printing, cos that category already exists :B)

Maybe Chalkboard and Sculptural atworks can be merged into one category, that somehow explains their "not on paper" character. I guess chiseled works should also be in there, not only sculptural works. Might be Typewriter could go in here, too. Chalkboard eventually could be into Calligraphy too.

Other purpose driven elements, like labels, packaging, editorial layouts, stationary designs etc., would actually be properly placed in Designs & Interfaces. Just I don't think there really is a good spot to put them in. Yet.
"Artsy" works should still go to Traditional Art > Typography, even if they have more of an illustrative character. I wouldn't bother too much about the message part, every artwork has a message, in Typography it is usually just much more prominent :D
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Itti Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, I'm not fussed about dividing by medium. It's not important to me when searching the categories. I am a bit confused about your difference between "lettering" and "calligraphy". Perhaps you just mean what I would call "freehand calligraphy" when you say "calligraphy" and "lettering" is more like "penmanship" or "handwriting". I think that's what you're saying. But to me I would call both kinds calligraphy, so I'm not sure the terms themselves are enough to distinguish between the two kinds.

Did you look at the examples I gave before you said Designs & Interfaces? I'm not sure either of them particularly belong there and my explanation of the difference between the two wasn't great. Here's a third example. It's not really a finished deviation but together with the other two might help explain what I mean better.

Also I wasn't "bothering" about the message part ("artsy works" is a better way of putting it) - I was just trying to distinguish between the type where the lettering is the end result and the type where you're trying to create art. Like I said, my explanation wasn't great!
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
I don't know, Calligraphy just makes me think of very different works than Lettering. Might be a language issue, or something. I think Calligraphy to me would always be a way of actual writing, while lettering can be much more graphic and less fluid in the process. Like [link] vs [link]

well, there was the calendar and the cocktail labels… which occured to me to be more purpose driven, so I would have thought them to be more apropiate in D&I or Artisan Crafts. However they are not wrong in Calligraphy :) I may have said that a bit harsh. Those kinda submissions are fine in a multiple galleries here on dA.

It's all good, might be I just got a little confused, too :lol: :hug:
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Itti Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm, that explains it better, what you mean about the difference between calligraphy and lettering. I don't think it's a universal enough difference to make them different categories without further explanation though. I mean, I get it now, but only after a few comments back and forth ^^;
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Well, this whole conversation will help me immensely in working it out :D

For a categorization… Calligraphy would be the only category that has sub-levels. Those will most likely differentiate between origin aka region/language.
So, most of what I consider Lettering would be submitted to Western Calligraphy eventually.

I guess since both use the same tools, nib, brush, pen etc and have at least a hand-writing inspired appearance, they can be in the same category…
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013
Oookay. Now. What did I want to say... :?

Ahh..I like the branches you included, since calligram is calligraphy related, some calligraphy could also fit in the calligrams directly and would have to be moved from calligraphy section?
Also, would the penmanship section have the illuminated manuscript work types? Is that what you are referring to? Is it solely for those type works or other ones, like full fledged calligraphic works (essays, passages, sentences.. etc)?
If media type could be worked into them that's fine, but then again, many could use a various type of old medias or new traditional ones to create them so that would be too confusing to have like, several of the ones like lettering, calligraphy into one and ruin browsing. At least for now that's what I personally feel like.
IF the ones that you thought up were added, that's fine and I could live with it. It would make browsing some distinct types better, like the calligraphy/textbased imagery ones to calligrams. :nod:
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Yes, anything that would fit to one of the new categories would have to be moved. Also Calligrams which are now submitted to Calligraphy. Which atm at least is not a miscat, since Calligrams are created by means of Calligraphy. That's why I am not even sure Calligrams need their own gallery. If they get it, I would actually have it similar to Digital Typo, where everything where letters are used to create an image go into one category, independent of how they were made (Calligraphy + paintings + drawings etc)

Yes, Penmanship can include illuminated manuscripts and written pages etc.; anything that is more purpose driven aka to be used in a book or something. It is a category that can easily overlap with others, tho. So I am not entirely sure it would make sense to be created.

I am basically looking for one theme under which I can create new categories. Myself I am not a fan of sorting by media, I would be more interested in sorting by purpose. But it's hard to find proper names for everything :lol:

Generally I would like to avoid creating sub-categories, so basically there would be most things next to each other at top level. So I don't want too many there… it's not going to be easy :B
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
Well, there's that thing I see with text based imagery and calligraphic images that, say, you mix all the words to create a portrait for example. That wold be text based imagery right? And then you have calligraphy, like Arabic ones, where a phrase can itself turn into an image by how the letters are swirled around and what not. So that would go under Calligram?

I take, this will be the final categories you are going with? If that's the case, don't forget to nudge Danie on creating accurate examples to be shown for these categories. And not miscats :lol:

Doing by media is confusing. While it's a way things can be broken into, it's way behind in the branching to give any clear sense.

Either way, the categorizations you suggested are perfect. :B
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
I see text-based images as images made from letters, words or sentences. The type can make sense, or it cannot. A Calligram can be created in many ways; it can be calligraphy based, but it can also be drawn, painted, typed etc. It may have originated in Calligraphy, hence the name, but it is not at all limited to this. Looking back, it would almost make sense to rename "Text-based Imagery" into Calligrams, as I did not know the term when I was looking to name "Text-based Imagery". I did research it back then, but never stumbled across the term.

This journal is merely a collection of ideas. The final galleries will be structured differently than this. Not all ideas from this journal may make it, there is still a lot of progress to be made from this. :) I wanted to hear what people think first, before anything definite happens.

It is understood that I will provide gallery descriptions and example deviations when I request the changes ;)
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
Ah good. Will be interesting to see the final result. Calligram sounds some far distant Greek word o_O

That's good. Though, Danie might have to go through another tour of the categories with examples. :lol: Some are seeing weird wrong miscats in categories with the new process and whenever I see them comment, just saying to mention it to Danie. :slow:
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Well, it is :P Just like Calligraphy :D

Yes, the new submit is not completely done yet :)
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
I have some things (or maybe one) to talk about but I have an assignment for tutorial to finish reading (I am on page 2 of 32 :crying: ) so when I come back then D:
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
:O_o: Good luck reading! The journal won't run away ;) :huggle:
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013
Done :la:
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Vashtastic Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013   Digital Artist
looks pretty through to me
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Thanks :)
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Vashtastic Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013   Digital Artist
or thorough >.>
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Vashtastic Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013   Digital Artist
looks pretty thorough to me
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Personally splitting it by medium makes the most sense to me :nod:
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
okay, that would make categories for Logo Design, Font Design, Lettering and Penmanship obsolete and people place it under whatever medium they used.

I guess that would make the categories:
Calligraphy, Drawings, Paintings (or Drawings & Paintings in one), Chalkboard, Collage, Sculpture/Craft and Typewriter.

I could live with that :nod:
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:nod: although I think font design should be its own as it's not precisely typography in the sense of creating a single visually appealing piece.
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Yes, that's true :)
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Utao Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Student General Artist
I think whenever you want to do 'hierarchy' thing, don't do it, it is pointless. The main point is to categorize the artworks and to make it easier to anyone browsing the site to find whatever they are interested in the gallery. Maybe sorting by alphabetical order may help in that, but making the categories in itself will improve a lot too!

I don't think you left anything else out.
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
It will be alphabetically anyway, all sub-categories on dA are sorted that way :nod:

I agree, that it will be easier to find categories, if it's all visible right from the start :)

Thanks for the feedback :hug:
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Utao Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Student General Artist
It's all right :hug:
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